In this episode, we talk with book doula, former psychotherapist, and award-winning writer Michelle Fiordaliso, a two-time New York Times Modern Love contributor and PEN Center USA award winner. She explains how she helps first-time authors find their voice, what she charges, what ghostwriters and screenwriters really earn — and why most published authors make far less than you think.

Book doulas, ghostwriters, and authors are paid very differently. Book doulas and ghostwriters earn steady fees for their time, while authors depend on advances and royalties that are often far smaller than people assume. Here are the numbers Michelle shared from her own career:
Book doula retainer: $3,000–$5,000 per month, depending on the project and how much the writer has already done
Nonfiction book proposal: about $10,000 for a roughly three-month process (a 65–75 page document)
Celebrity ghostwriting: about $100,000–$125,000 for a year-long project, or a percentage of the author’s advance
Traditional book advance: $4,800 total for her co-written 2008 book with a major publisher — split two ways, minus 10–15% to the agent and taxes
Hardcover royalties: about $1 per copy
Publicist (paid by the author): about $10,000 per author
New York Times Modern Love essay: $300
Screenplays: as low as $10,000; guild minimum about $90,000–$100,000; roughly $300,000 on a $10 million film
Book adapted into a major studio film: six to seven figures
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What is a book doula?
A book doula is a writing coach and developmental guide who helps people turn an idea into a finished book. Unlike a ghostwriter, a book doula doesn’t write the book for you, they help you clarify the concept, find your voice, stay disciplined, and navigate proposals, agents, or self-publishing.
How much does a book doula or book coach cost?
Michelle Fiordaliso works on a monthly retainer of about $3,000 to $5,000, depending on the project and how much work the writer has already done. Writing a nonfiction book proposal with a client costs about $10,000 and usually takes around three months.
How much do ghostwriters make?
Ghostwriting fees vary widely. For a year-long celebrity book, Michelle quoted about $100,000 to $125,000. Some ghostwriters are instead paid a percentage of the author’s book advance. Credit also varies, some are named as co-authors, others are thanked in the acknowledgments or remain fully invisible.
How much do authors make per book?
On a traditionally published hardcover, the author earns roughly $1 per copy. That means selling 100,000 copies, which is very difficult, to earn about $100,000. Advances can be small, too: Michelle’s co-written book with a major publisher earned a $4,800 advance, shared between two authors before agent fees and taxes.
Do authors have to pay for their own publicist?
Often, yes. Michelle and her co-author each paid about $10,000 for a publicist, which helped land appearances on the Today show and national radio. For self-published authors, a publicist or social media manager is often what keeps a book selling after launch.
How much does the New York Times pay for a Modern Love essay?
According to Michelle, who has been published in the column twice, the New York Times pays $300 for a Modern Love essay. She submitted through the public submission form without an agent or connections, after being rejected many times.
Will AI replace writers?
Michelle doesn’t see AI as a substitute for books “born of heart and soul.” She’s comfortable with AI handling emails, complaint letters, or formulaic how-to content, but believes memoir, fiction, and deeply personal books still require human experience and a human voice.
Is it too late to write a book in your 60s or 70s?
No. Michelle points to Theo of Golden by Allen Levi, a first novel he self-published in 2023 later in life. It became a word-of-mouth bestseller, and Warner Bros. is developing a film adaptation with Tom Hanks in talks to star.
This show first aired on October 2026